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by Alexandra Mrozowska
\u2014 Senior Columnist \u2014<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

Once upon a time (but certainly not so long ago), it was perfectly acceptable and somewhat of a social norm to ridicule all the Rock music made in the 1980s. The actual credibility and accomplishments of particular musicians involved in the \u201880s scene didn’t matter at all. Some of them went to incredible lengths to prove their opponents wrong, often to delightful results music-wise. Others just waited until \u201880s nostalgia hit. But then, cancel culture kicked in as well, close to suggesting the entire \u201880s had better be \u201ccancelled\u201d for our own moral sake (not even to mention the future generations)… There\u2019s no better way to clarify that than to talk with people who were an important part of that scene themselves. Recently, Hardrock Haven caught up with the guitarist Reb Beach (Winger, Whitesnake, Black Swan) to talk his solo instrumental album A View From The Inside<\/em> newly released via Frontiers Music SRL. But neither that nor even the details behind the upcoming Winger album and change of dynamics in the \u2018Snake camp were enough. We simply couldn\u2019t help asking Reb about unfair criticism, political correctness and haters too \u2013 all with a slight \u201880s vibe to it…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Hardrock Haven: Although there are people who think the instrumental guitar albums are more of a thing of the past now, your new solo album A View From The Inside<\/em> revives this exact tradition. Weren\u2019t you tempted to follow the path of your previous solo album \u2013 2001\u2019s Masquerade<\/em> \u2013 especially after enthusiastic feedback regarding your vocal performance on this album?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Yeah, I definitely wanted to do Masquerade II<\/em> and I have a lot of songs already written for it \u2013 that would be my next record. But my fans have been asking me for this instrumental record for a very, very long time. I had been working on this for years and it was already done, I finished it a few years ago. So it was a perfect time for me to release it right now and even though Masquerade II <\/em>will definitely happen, the fans of mine have wanted this record even more.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: So why did it actually take you so long to release this material and thus revive your solo career?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: I finished all of the writing a few years ago, but then, what had to be done was sending it out to musicians to play on it, and then mixing it and mastering it, and playing drums on it. Drums are a big deal. You have to go to the studio and mic them up… and I never really had time to do that, \u2018cause I was always on the road. I\u2019m a touring musician and also, when I\u2019m home, I\u2019m always writing for a project that has a deadline, like Whitesnake or Winger or Black Swan… I always have to just write for that, and so I kept putting the Fusion instrumental album on the back burner. It took COVID for me to actually have the time to just dot the i\u2019s and cross the t\u2019s and finish the record.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: One thing about A View From The Inside<\/em> is that the tracks are actually… well, I won\u2019t say radio-friendly or catchy, but certainly melodic and somewhat accessible, even in spite of having no vocals. Was this effect difficult to achieve?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Well, that was my goal. My goal was to make it catchy, and I think it is really melodic indeed. You know, I concentrated on the songs first \u2013 before the guitar playing. It\u2019s not about me as a shredder, it\u2019s about making instrumental music that it\u2019s interesting to listen to from front to back and doesn\u2019t get boring just hearing guitar all the time. So I played very melodic lines, I think \u2013 especially compared to other instrumental guitar records. Even though there is some shredding on it, it was more about the songs and the diversity that I can try and get on it and not just doing all Heavy Metal songs with shredding, shredding, shredding… (laughs) It\u2019s got different styles of music and different sounds and also, there\u2019s different solos \u2013 keyboard solos, drum solos… So that was the goal there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: You\u2019ve just mentioned diversity being a key factor on the album. Your fans probably know your musical background is quite diverse indeed, so do you think there\u2019s something on the new album they could be actually surprised to hear?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Well, the fans that I have all know The Fusion Demos <\/em>[a compilation of early demo recordings released by Reb in 2001]. I was gonna make this record in 1993, when Winger broke up, so I made demos for it and I shopped them around everywhere and nobody would sign it because it didn\u2019t have vocals. So I put it in my hard drive, but I sold it later on my website and they sold, sold, sold… everyone bought them, even more than Masquerade<\/em>, and they told me this is what I should do. The fans said, \u201cThat\u2019s the best thing you\u2019ve ever done. You need to do this kind of music \u2018cause we love this more than anything you\u2019ve ever done.\u201d So I knew I had to make the record and I started working on it here and there… but since the record companies all wanted vocals, I started to work on Masquerade<\/em> and put the Fusion stuff in the vault for later… Twenty years later, but here we are (laughs).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: Better late than never (laughs). You\u2019ve mentioned how the collaboration with other musicians actually prolonged the recording process. So, who did you work on the album with and, with the obvious exception of Michele Luppi [who worked with Reb in the past as a session musician and now is a member of Whitesnake], how did you hook up with each of the musicians that ended up on the album?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Dave Throckmorton is the drummer \u2013 he was the drummer on Masquerade <\/em>and also, in my little band The Reb Beach Project that we play around town in Pittsburgh, PA where I live. Throck is my favorite drummer of all time and the reason I have The Reb Beach Project here in Pittsburgh is because I just wanna play with him. That\u2019s just so much fun \u2013 he\u2019s incredible. So, he was a sure candidate for a drummer [on all songs but the sixth track on The View From The Inside<\/em> album, \u201cThe Way Home\u201d, which features Robert Langley on drums]. John Hall played some bass and he\u2019s my bass player from The Reb Beach project. Then, we also had Phillip Bynoe from Steve Vai\u2019s band. I was looking for a Funk bass player, and a friend of mine told me about Phillip Bynoe and told me to look at him on YouTube. So I did \u2013 and he was perfect! So I called him and he said, \u201cSure\u201d. And then Paul Brown was the keyboard player friend of Kip\u2019s [Winger], who was great at getting \u201870s sounds. I was looking in particular for a keyboard player who could play Fender Rhodes, the clavinet, B3 [Hammond Organ] \u2013 all \u201870s sounds. And this guy, that was his thing, so he was perfect on the record \u2013 and that\u2019s everybody.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: So with some of the musicians actually playing with you for years, was chemistry a key factor in their participation in the recordings?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Well, you know… they weren\u2019t in the same room with me (laughs). As long as they played their parts right and were in time and in tune, that\u2019s really what I cared about (laughs). There wasn\u2019t like a chemistry thing, you know… maybe a little bit, as the bass player has to listen to what I\u2019m playing and would play off of that, but that\u2019s kind of a typical bass player thing to do \u2013 and that\u2019s what the bass player should do in this kind of music. So, as long as they played the parts rights and added something to it, rather than subtracting from it, we were fine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: You\u2019ve already mentioned that the COVID pandemic gave you time to actually finish the album. But were the last stages of the process of working on it \u2013 perhaps putting the finishing touches to it \u2013 impacted by the ongoing situation as well?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: I think I started sending it to them even before the COVID hit. Honestly, it was a couple of years ago when we started doing it, when we started the drums… And with COVID, that just gave us time to mix and master it and just do all the little things that are involved. You know, the artwork and picking the order of the songs and all that stuff… In general, COVID didn\u2019t really have much of an impact on the recording process because it\u2019s just done with sending the songs out to somebody, and they send them back.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: It wasn\u2019t like that when you started, obviously. So what are the pros and cons of this kind of working process compared to when you were working in one recording studio together with all other musicians involved?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: I don\u2019t know how does it sound to you, but it sounds okay to me (laughs). I know everyone wants the band to play the song live and they want to think that the band is playing this live and they\u2019re hearing it, but that just isn\u2019t how people record anymore. It\u2019s a pain in the ass to record like that. You can do it, but you have to get everybody in the same place \u2013 fly them in \u2013 and you have to mic up everything… mic up the drums… you have to be in a separate room with the guitar, the bass, vocals… although there\u2019s no vocals on this [The View From The Inside]<\/em>, but you know what I mean… Everyone has to be in the separate room. And then, everyone has to play it perfectly in one take \u2013 which nobody does… So everyone would redo their parts anyway, so there\u2019s not really much of a difference. That\u2019s the way that it happens on every album \u2013 on Black Swan, on Winger, on Whitesnake… Everyone redoes their parts \u2013 that\u2019s just the way that it\u2019s done, \u2018cause you don\u2019t wanna mistakes on there. And yeah, I love the \u201870s albums where you can hear mistakes and where they did it as a band \u2013 like The Beatles and stuff… That\u2019s super cool. But nobody records that way now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: Exactly, these days are long gone now. So, speaking of what you were up to recently \u2013 during the summer you played with Dokken again, filling in for Jon Levin. After videos of these performances went viral, people started to criticize Don for apparently not meeting their expectations as far as his live performance was concerned. What\u2019s your stance on that and similar outbursts of hate towards the artists?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Reb Beach: Well, Don wasn\u2019t having a good night that night for sure (laughs). For me, it was really, really fun to play those songs again… And he\u2019s got a great band with the guys from House Of Lords [Chris McCarvill on bass and BJ Zampa on drums]. We became very good friends and I text them all the time now… You know, I had a lot of fun playing it, \u2018cause it was really the only gig available. I mean, we played like a fifteen hundred seater and there were two hundred and fifty people there, so everybody was distanced. And yeah, there\u2019s people on the Internet that say horrible things about anything. Don had an off night \u2013 it happens.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: It surely does. So as we can\u2019t omit the other bands you\u2019re in, obviously the first choice is Winger. As you guys are working on the new album right now, can you actually reveal anything about it? Will it be a continuation to 2014\u2019s Better Days Comin\u2019<\/em>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: I feel like it\u2019s more towards [2009\u2019s] Karma<\/em>, the way it\u2019s going right now. I like it better than Better Days Comin\u2019 <\/em>already. We\u2019ve written eleven songs and we are not gonna use six of them, so now we have five songs. It\u2019s because Kip has this very high bar for this record, and he wants every song to be undeniably cool with Progressive riffs… He doesn\u2019t want any riffs that are predictable, so it\u2019s up to me to come up with really cool, unique riffs that are progressive \u2013 yet, ones he would be able to sing catchy melodies over. That\u2019s kind of what Winger is. With \u201cSeventeen\u201d, when we wrote that, I never thought in a million years that riff could be a chorus, and Kip heard it as a chorus immediately. That\u2019s the cool thing about Winger \u2013 that we write this kind of more complicated riffs, and yet he can sing radio vocals over it. So, we\u2019ve got five awesome songs and I\u2019m going there in two weeks to continue the writing and we\u2019d like to have it out early next summer, in May or June.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: So you\u2019d probably agree that Winger was one of the most underrated and misunderstood bands of the late \u201880s and early 90s. What do you think caused people to label you as yet another hair band in spite of all the things you had to offer musically and the Progressive vibe that was always there in your music?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Well, why did that happen…? I think we\u2019ve got it worse than anybody else because we were the easiest to make fun of. We were four guys who were serious musicians \u2013 and we professed to be serious musicians. Like, you know [in a pompous voice]: \u201cWe\u2019re studio musicians. I went to Berkeley and Rod Morgenstein is from the Dixie Dregs. We\u2019re great musicians.\u201d (laughs) Of course they\u2019re gonna make fun of that when your hair is a foot above your head and you\u2019re wearing spandex and pleather… And also Beavis And Butt-Head <\/em>with that nerd they had, they put Winger on his t-shirt and made fun of him. That\u2019s why we got it worse than anyone had, \u2018cause it was funnier for that character to have a Winger t-shirt rather than a Poison t-shirt. They [Poison] didn\u2019t profess to be good musicians \u2013 they were just like, \u201cWe just like to have a good time and we\u2019re not great musicians, but we like to rock.\u201d It just wouldn\u2019t be this funny with Poison, but it\u2019s funnier with Winger. So I kind of understood that. It\u2019s too bad that happened, but I think Kip Winger really brought that around by going around the world playing on acoustic \u2013 just him and an acoustic \u2013 and showing people, \u201cNo, no, no… (laughs) This band is really something, listen to this guy\u2019s singing and his compositions.\u201d And then he scored an album with an orchestra. He wrote an entire album and was nominated for a Grammy for it. So I think those days are kind of over when people are making fun of us. Yet, once in a while there\u2019ll be an idiot who has no idea what\u2019s going on and will say, like \u201cWinger…? They\u2019re stupid!\u201d (laughs) No, they don\u2019t know what\u2019s going on and they\u2019re just ignorant of what that band is about.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: I remember from the gig you played in my homeland Poland many years ago \u2013 when you were promoting Karma <\/em>\u2013 that there was a solid representation of the early Winger era in the setlist. There are artists who feel somewhat dissatisfied with or embarrassed of their early songs, so what are your true feelings about songs like \u201cSeventeen\u201d?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Oh God, \u201cSeventeen\u201d is great and \u201cMadalaine\u201d is a great composition. If you look at it from an arranging standpoint, it\u2019s really interesting. It\u2019s very well-written music \u2013 you know, try and top \u201cHeaded For A Heartbreak\u201d as a composition… It would be rough. All the musicians all around the world tell me that Winger is kind of a step above as far as composition, arranging and the musicianship [is concerned] if you compare us to other bands of the genre.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: I absolutely agree music-wise, but what about the lyrics and the videos? Do you think \u201cSeventeen\u201d and many other relics of the \u201880s era \u2013 not necessarily Winger\u2019s only, but in general \u2013 can be now considered inappropriate or offensive for someone born and raised in the world of political correctness and cancel culture?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Tell that to The Beatles. \u201cWell, she was just seventeen\/You know what I mean…\u201d (singing) Or, you know, \u201cYou\u2019re sixteen, you\u2019re beautiful and you\u2019re mine\u201d (singing). And tell the same to KISS with \u201cChristine Sixteen\u201d. Come on, who cares…? This is the dark interview that we\u2019re doing here!… (laughs) This is darkness!… (laughs)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: (laughs) But it does happen, like with this example of people demanding the Christmas classic \u201cBaby, It\u2019s Cold Outside\u201d to be banned on the radio…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: That I think was the dumbest thing I\u2019ve ever heard in my life. I was embarrassed to be an American when I saw that, honestly. It\u2019s just the stupidest thing I\u2019ve ever seen \u2013 that haven\u2019t been heard of. People just go too far and they have too much time on their hands, so they need something to complain about… I hate that whole thing. I don\u2019t wanna know people like that and I don\u2019t wanna have a beer with that person.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: Yeah, that\u2019s crazy. So, our next stop is Whitesnake. Musicians come and go, line-ups change, but your position in the band seems to be really stable. What do you think is the secret of such a long collaboration and partnership with David Coverdale?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Well, I avoided David for the first four years (laughs). I hid in the closet whenever he walked by and when he entered the building, I would hide, \u2018cause I was terrified of him (laughs). But we\u2019ve known each other for so long now that I can call him a friend, and we lived with each other for a year doing that last record and I got to know him very well. He\u2019s a beautiful human being. We went out to dinner together three nights a week and I would cook him a dinner. He loves my cooking! We wrote together, we partied together, we watched movies together \u2013 I took him to the movies once a week… He\u2019s just a lovely guy and he loves music more than anyone I know, honestly. He\u2019s got one of the biggest music collections in the world on iTunes \u2013 he\u2019s got every song you can imagine. But what\u2019s the key to my being in the band for so long? I\u2019m easy to work with, I don\u2019t make waves… I hate confrontation and I hate problems. I just like to make everybody happy, so I think that has helped that I\u2019m kind of easy-going guy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: Right, the last Whitesnake studio album with new material \u2013 Flesh & Blood<\/em> \u2013 included five tracks you co-wrote [and one more on deluxe edition of an album]. With this happening, do you feel you can finally bring all your talents to the table when it comes to recording with Whitesnake?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Yeah, I didn\u2019t write until Doug [Aldrich] left. Doug was the music director and he had a relationship with David \u2013 they were the writing team. So when Doug left, I stepped up to the plate and called David and said, \u201cDavid, I wanna come and write with you.\u201d So I flew out there, and we started writing. That simple. You know, someone had to do it once Doug was gone… (laughs)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: You\u2019ve already mentioned another group you\u2019re in \u2013 the super-group Black Swan… Your first album saw the light of day this year too. Do you see it as a one-off project only, or are there plans to continue?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Black Swan does really, really well and everybody loves Black Swan. And Black Swan was just a bunch of Winger riffs that Kip didn\u2019t want. So lo and behold, I have fifteen riffs that Kip didn\u2019t want (laughs), \u2018cause it wasn\u2019t progressive enough \u2013 and that would probably end up being Black Swan II. And [Jeff] Pilson called me last month and said, \u201cDo you have riffs…? \u2018Cause we\u2019re gonna need riffs \u2018cause we\u2019re definitely gonna have to do another record.\u201d This thing sold really well and everyone loves it. So, it starts with me \u2013 I\u2019ve gotta have the riffs or else we\u2019ve got nothing. I feel confident that I\u2019ve got some really good ones that are perfect for Robin [McAuley]. Robin can sing over anything and it sounds great, but I\u2019ve got some good stuff for the next one and I\u2019m sure we\u2019ll probably get together next year, early \u2013 maybe January, February \u2013 and start writing it. We wrote the whole thing [Black Swan\u2019s debut album Shake The World<\/em>] in ten days, \u2018cause I had all the riffs. So hopefully Jeff will like the riffs again and we\u2019ll bang it out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: Ten days of writing only \u2013 that sounds like an easy process… Was the experience of working on Shake The World <\/em>really that easy?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: You know, I did Erase The Slate <\/em>[1999 Dokken album] with Jeff, and we just sat in a room and we wrote it together. So when he proposed doing Black Swan, I knew that\u2019s what it was gonna be again. He said, \u201cLook, you have to write the riffs,\u201d and I was like \u201cI know, I know…\u201d (laughs) And that\u2019s how we did it. I flew to his house, sat in the room in him and we wrote it in ten days. And that\u2019s how it goes. For me, it\u2019s better with two people \u2013 I need a collaborator, I can\u2019t write it by myself. Jeff Pilson and Kip Winger are excellent because they\u2019re both arrangers and composers and that\u2019s not my strength. My strength is that I can come up with guitar riffs all day long. But I need a real guy who went to school for it that can put my songs together for me. It goes a lot quicker that way than if I\u2019m left to deal with all that stuff. So we just did it the way we always do it \u2013 it\u2019s just me and the other out, and we just bang it out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: And as the year is slowly coming to an end, what are your future plans and hopes for 2021?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: I\u2019m hoping that Winger goes out in May and that our record is out in May or June. And as for my solo album, coming out on November the 6th<\/sup>, I\u2019m hoping to get on tour with that one day \u2013 maybe do like a G3 or a Generation Axe tour, one of those really cool guitar tours… I\u2019d love to do something like that. And right now, I\u2019m just giving guitar lessons (laughs).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: And what is this experience like for you?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: I\u2019ve done 200 lessons. I\u2019ve been doing since COVID and I love it. I\u2019ve been talking to people all around the world and met so many lovely people… I\u2019ve made some great friends… and I\u2019ve actually learnt a lot about my own guitar playing. Like, I didn\u2019t know what a Phrygian scale was until three weeks ago, somebody said, \u201cSo that\u2019s a Phrygian scale\u201d and I was like, \u201cWow, is that a Phrygian scale…? I had no idea!\u201d (laughs) \u2018Cause I taught myself how to play. So, it\u2019s been a great learning experience and I love it, but I really need to get the hell outta here and get on the road again, \u2018cause I belong on the road. I\u2019m a road dog.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: What do you think about online lessons being said to be somewhat less effective than meeting with the student in person?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: No way, no! It\u2019s exactly like sitting in a room with me, totally. And it\u2019s exactly better \u2018cause they get a video of it that I record for them. So, they can go back and look at everything we did. It\u2019s actually better.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: Do your students treat you like an accomplished musician, or a Rock star \u2013 especially that you are both…?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Some are just a little nervous (laughs), but most of them are just happy to be there and I show them lots of easy, fun, new riffs so they\u2019re excited about that to have all kinds of new stuff to practice and play. And a lot of it is easy, so instantly they add more to their own thing. They have new riffs instantly just from being with me (laughs).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hardrock Haven: Is there anything you\u2019d like to add in the end?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reb Beach: Nice to talk to you! Well, just check out my album and hopefully you\u2019ll like it \u2013 I think if you\u2019re a guitar player, you\u2019ll like it. It\u2019s very listenable, it\u2019s not your typical mechanical shredding album. It\u2019s actually got good songs on it and it\u2019s got great reviews, so check that out. And if you want a guitar lesson, I\u2019m around \u2013 just google \u201cReb Beach guitar lessons\u201d (laughs).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Photos appear courtesy of Brian Kaldorf Photography.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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